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	<title>Comments on: The Age of Science (1)</title>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://blog.elisehuard.be/2008/10/the-age-of-science-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely - never said you should believe what i&#039;m saying :-)

these posts are my impressions about what&#039;s going on, and as i said in my &#039;about&#039;, i love debate.  If it starts a good discussion, i&#039;ll be happy to have learned something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely &#8211; never said you should believe what i&#8217;m saying <img src='http://blog.elisehuard.be/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>these posts are my impressions about what&#8217;s going on, and as i said in my &#8216;about&#8217;, i love debate.  If it starts a good discussion, i&#8217;ll be happy to have learned something.</p>
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		<title>By: zeta</title>
		<link>http://blog.elisehuard.be/2008/10/the-age-of-science-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>zeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then I could also say that the following statement is an obscure specialized dogma like the virginity of the Mary:

&quot;Javascript is a good tool, but in some ways also a security hasard.  On top of that, piling on the javascript action is not that great for accessibility: when you have to read a website through your ears, fancy visual effects won’t really work for you.&quot;

But I&#039;m sure we both agree there is one statement we can test and another one we can&#039;t ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then I could also say that the following statement is an obscure specialized dogma like the virginity of the Mary:</p>
<p>&#8220;Javascript is a good tool, but in some ways also a security hasard.  On top of that, piling on the javascript action is not that great for accessibility: when you have to read a website through your ears, fancy visual effects won’t really work for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure we both agree there is one statement we can test and another one we can&#8217;t <img src='http://blog.elisehuard.be/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Van den Borre</title>
		<link>http://blog.elisehuard.be/2008/10/the-age-of-science-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Van den Borre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand what you are trying to say, but please, go on. I&#039;m curious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand what you are trying to say, but please, go on. I&#8217;m curious!</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://blog.elisehuard.be/2008/10/the-age-of-science-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark : you misread my criticism.   I agree, science is the best tool we have to increase knowledge.

What i&#039;m pointing out is that we, as a race, haven&#039;t evolved at all - we are still the same people who went to mass 5 times a week 50 years ago, and we function the same way.
We do accept the facts we are presented with as dogma, you cannot deny that.  Science is the new Truth (capital T).

So you were wrong about &#039;Age of Science (2)&#039;. I am going to talk about research institutions, and the &#039;human&#039; irrational factor there (experienced first- and second-hand).

And after that i might talk about the fact that science and logic, while useful tools, are not enough to get by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark : you misread my criticism.   I agree, science is the best tool we have to increase knowledge.</p>
<p>What i&#8217;m pointing out is that we, as a race, haven&#8217;t evolved at all &#8211; we are still the same people who went to mass 5 times a week 50 years ago, and we function the same way.<br />
We do accept the facts we are presented with as dogma, you cannot deny that.  Science is the new Truth (capital T).</p>
<p>So you were wrong about &#8216;Age of Science (2)&#8217;. I am going to talk about research institutions, and the &#8216;human&#8217; irrational factor there (experienced first- and second-hand).</p>
<p>And after that i might talk about the fact that science and logic, while useful tools, are not enough to get by.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Van den Borre</title>
		<link>http://blog.elisehuard.be/2008/10/the-age-of-science-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Van den Borre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientific method is the best we have to work with knowledge and expand it. Religion doesn&#039;t work with knowledge. It&#039;s valuable, but an entirely different playing field.

Accepting science without understanding it is different from dogma. Do you understand every single principle that makes your computer work? Really? And does your mother? Many aspects of science prove themselves daily without us even understanding the basics behind them. They will still prove themselves tomorrow.

I suspect &quot;The age of science 2&quot; will be a plea for generalism and increased verifiability in science. That&#039;s a problem of education, of interest, of attitude, a hard one to tackle.

We can&#039;t simplify science, but I speculate we may have more luck trying to make political and economical processes more verifiable and understandable. They&#039;re human creations. We _can_ simplify politics and economics until Joe Sixpack can understand. We might even benefit from that!

Think about banking for example. It probably makes economical sense to trade a banking system of complex derivatives - understood by few if any - for a simpler banking system understood by Joe Sixpack. What you loose in short term efficiency, you win in trust and long term stability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientific method is the best we have to work with knowledge and expand it. Religion doesn&#8217;t work with knowledge. It&#8217;s valuable, but an entirely different playing field.</p>
<p>Accepting science without understanding it is different from dogma. Do you understand every single principle that makes your computer work? Really? And does your mother? Many aspects of science prove themselves daily without us even understanding the basics behind them. They will still prove themselves tomorrow.</p>
<p>I suspect &#8220;The age of science 2&#8243; will be a plea for generalism and increased verifiability in science. That&#8217;s a problem of education, of interest, of attitude, a hard one to tackle.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t simplify science, but I speculate we may have more luck trying to make political and economical processes more verifiable and understandable. They&#8217;re human creations. We _can_ simplify politics and economics until Joe Sixpack can understand. We might even benefit from that!</p>
<p>Think about banking for example. It probably makes economical sense to trade a banking system of complex derivatives &#8211; understood by few if any &#8211; for a simpler banking system understood by Joe Sixpack. What you loose in short term efficiency, you win in trust and long term stability.</p>
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		<title>By: pvandewyngaerde</title>
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		<dc:creator>pvandewyngaerde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello elise 
another  interesting free distributable movie about the times we live in is http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
there is a movie and a addendum.

it gives you a lot more to think about the times we live in. And why we should take the truth as authority and not the authority as the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello elise<br />
another  interesting free distributable movie about the times we live in is <a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/</a><br />
there is a movie and a addendum.</p>
<p>it gives you a lot more to think about the times we live in. And why we should take the truth as authority and not the authority as the truth.</p>
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